tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19728962.post896981901094010842..comments2023-12-10T18:09:20.757-05:00Comments on Eephus Pitch: A Nation ShrugsEmmahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03064841292940508545noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19728962.post-15984691271439109882007-12-14T01:05:00.000-05:002007-12-14T01:05:00.000-05:00Defamation is tricky.One of the elements is damage...Defamation is tricky.<BR/><BR/>One of the elements is damages.<BR/><BR/>He'll have to show he lost a sponsor or a deal because of the allegations.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19728962.post-55085796204546592682007-12-14T00:34:00.000-05:002007-12-14T00:34:00.000-05:00Hey, thanks. I would never claim that Canseco's op...Hey, thanks. <BR/><BR/>I would never claim that Canseco's opinion (on anything, really) is balanced, so we do agree there. <BR/><BR/>But if you leave out those lines, it looks like Canseco had no opinion on Clemens' possible steroid use - which he pretty clearly does. He has no <I>proof</I> at all, it's just implication; but however flimsy his reasoning, I think he'd be a witness for the prosecution.<BR/><BR/>It'll be interesting to see if Clemens responds with anything concrete. If the report is wrong, you'd think he'd file a lawsuit...Emmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03064841292940508545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19728962.post-8947910973945331212007-12-13T23:46:00.000-05:002007-12-13T23:46:00.000-05:00before I forget, I loved the feature on papa eephu...before I forget, I loved the feature on papa eephus and Orson.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19728962.post-50123386672847711572007-12-13T23:43:00.000-05:002007-12-13T23:43:00.000-05:00I edited out those lines because I didn't feel the...I edited out those lines because I didn't feel they were balanced. Other signs include acne, male-pattern baldness, vascularity, lean mid-section, shoe-size, etc.<BR/><BR/>I think a reasonable person could view his account, in whole, either way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19728962.post-29978296263703499232007-12-13T23:32:00.000-05:002007-12-13T23:32:00.000-05:00Top Cat, I've read Canseco's book, but I didn't ta...Top Cat, <BR/><BR/>I've read Canseco's book, but I didn't take it as a defense of Clemens at all -- it seemed to me that while admitting he'd never seen Clemens use steroids, or heard him talk about it explicitly, Canseco thought circumstantial evidence suggested Clemens was using. In your quote from page 212 you left out a couple of significant sentences:<BR/><BR/>"I can't give chapter and verse on Roger's training regimen. But I'll tell you what I was thinking at the time: <B>One of the classic signs of steroid use is when a player's basic performance actually improves later in his career. One of the benefits of steroids is that they're especially helpful in countering the effects of aging.</B> So in Roger's case..." and so on. <BR/><BR/><BR/>Kind of changes the meaning when you put those two lines back where they belong, doesn't it? Obviously, this is just speculation on Conseco's part -- but for whatever it's worth, he's clearly suggesting Clemens was using.Emmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03064841292940508545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19728962.post-56308136523818431492007-12-13T22:38:00.000-05:002007-12-13T22:38:00.000-05:00On RogerCanseco had no problem informing on his te...<B>On Roger</B><BR/><BR/>Canseco had no problem informing on his teammates. <BR/><BR/>That said, he offered qualified testimony on behalf of Clemens<BR/><BR/><I><BR/>Page 211<BR/><BR/> It was so open, the trainers would jokingly call the steroid injections “B12 shots,” and soon the players had picked up on that little code name, too. You’d hear them saying it out loud in front of each other: “I need to go in and get a B12 shot,” a player would say, and everyone would laugh. (Of course, that was the kind of joke you really only made around other steroid users, because obviously they were in the same boat as you. What were they going to do, tell on you? Not hardly.)<BR/><BR/><BR/>Page 211-212<BR/><BR/> It was the pitchers that kept the “B12” joke going. For example, I’ve never seen Roger Clemens do steroids, and he never told me that he did. But we’ve talked about what steroids could do for you, in which combinations, and I’ve heard him use the phrase “B12 shot” with respect to others.<BR/><BR/> A lot of pitchers did steroids to keep up with hitters. If everyone else was getting stronger and faster, then you wanted to get stronger and faster, too. If you were a pitcher, and the hitters were all getting stronger, that made your job that much more difficult. Roger used to talk about that a lot.<BR/><BR/> “You hitters are so darn strong from steroids,” he’d say.<BR/><BR/> “Yeah, but you pitchers are taking it, too. You’re just taking different types,” I’d respond.<BR/><BR/> And sometimes Roger would vent his frustration over the hits even the lesser players were starting to get off good pitchers. “Damn, that little guy hit it odd the end of the bat and almost drove it to the wall,” he would say. He would complain about guys who were hitting fifty homers when they had no business hitting thirty. It was becoming more difficult for pitchers all the time, he would complain.<BR/><BR/> I can’t give chapter and verse on Roger’s training regimen. But I’ll tell you what I was thinking at the time:<BR/><BR/> In Roger’s case, around the time that he was leaving Boston—and Dan Duquette, the general manager there, was saying he was “past his prime”—Roger decided to make some changes. He started working out harder. And whatever else he may have been doing to get stronger, he saw results. His fastball improved by a few miles per hour. He was a great pitcher long before then; it wasn’t his late-career surge that made him great. But he certainly stayed great far longer than most athletes could expect. There’s no question about that.<BR/></I><BR/><BR/>Quotes About Clemens Not Related to Performance-Enhancing Drugs<BR/><I><BR/>About Women - Page 91<BR/><BR/> Here’s something you probably don’t know about Roger Clemens: He’s one of the very few baseball players I know who never cheated on his wife. I was amazed by him, to be honest. His wife should be very proud of him. You see all these other guys- oh, my god, every chance they got, they would be hitting the strip clubs. They would have extra girls staying in the team hotel, one room over from their wives, so they could go back and forth from room to room if they wanted. They would have their choice of women in damn near every city imaginable.<BR/><BR/> Roger was the exception to that. I went out with him a bunch of times when there were beautiful women around, and he had a lot of opportunities and never took them. I was with him enough times to realize: This man never cheated on his wife. He was one of the rarities, the anomalies, in baseball. I can hardly think of anyone else who never cheated on his wife. I wish I could count myself as an exception, but I can’t.<BR/></I><BR/><BR/>It's a qualified denial and it only extends to their interaction, which ceased after the 2000 season. Still, at the time, Canseco had been using steroids for 12 seasons, and Clemens was objecting its usage.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com